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IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 13:52
by sgaccountant
Hello,

I am trying to understand the treatment for changes in loan payments.

<Please refer to the attached PDF>
At initial measurement, loan receivable was calculated with expectations of loan being paid only at the year of the loan expiry in 6 years time.

However, in year 2, the loan was paid partially. Hence I remeasured the loan receivable amt to the PV of the new payment cashflows which results in a gain on loan. Is my accounting entries correct for year 2? Is this gain considered interest income?

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 16:22
by Leo
Are you sure that this loan bear no interest so every year there isn't cash from interest that comes in ?

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 17:22
by sgaccountant
There is interest but as the loan is an intercompany loan, there's no loan/interest payments needed until expiry. Are my entries correct in such a situation?

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 17:46
by Leo
What's the initial amount, interest rate (is 5% market rate or nominal interest rate?), is there any transactions costs ? and does the interest will be carried forward producing interest on itself ?

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 18:00
by JRSB
have you reversed engineered a final £1200 repayment, charging 5% interest, to get to an initial loan of £895?

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 18:03
by Leo
Yea, the initial amount seems weird, I've mostly seen intercompany loan with rounded numbers. 1 200 LC seems like the initial amount ?

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 18:14
by Leo
sgaccountant I would do it the simple way, if the initial amount is really 895.46 and interest rate is 5% than the first year I would :
Dt Loan 895.46
Cr cash 895.46

at 31.12.N:
Dt Loan 45
cr interest 45

at 01.01.N+1:
dt cash 50
cr loan 50

at 31.12.N+1 :
dt Loan 45 (940-50)*5%
cr interest 45

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 18:34
by sgaccountant
JRSB wrote: 14 May 2022, 18:00 have you reversed engineered a final £1200 repayment, charging 5% interest, to get to an initial loan of £895?
Yes it was reversed engineered just for illustration purpose.

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 18:37
by sgaccountant
Leo wrote: 14 May 2022, 18:14 sgaccountant I would do it the simple way, if the initial amount is really 895.46 and interest rate is 5% than the first year I would :
Dt Loan 895.46
Cr cash 895.46

at 31.12.N:
Dt Loan 45
cr interest 45

at 01.01.N+1:
dt cash 50
cr loan 50

at 31.12.N+1 :
dt Loan 45 (940-50)*5%
cr interest 45
This looks interesting. May I ask how will your amortisation table clear to 0 without revising the liability amount?

I have uploaded my calculations excel here for reference https://www.mediafire.com/file/to96zymj ... .xlsx/file

Re: IFRS 9 Loan Payments

Posted: 14 May 2022, 19:04
by Leo
I'm going to receive 1 136 at year 6 not 1 150, simply because I've received 50 at the end of year 1 so for the period after year 1, I won't receive any interest capitalisation related to the reimbursement of the 50. That makes it 50 * 1.05^5 = 64 LC, and 1 200 - 64 = 1 136.

Does it make sense ?